Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: AshtarDJ

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I don't like using MWDs because it gimps my tank too much, so I don't think there's anything wrong with boosting AB's a bit so they can somehow/sometimes/eventually compete with some MWD setups.

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I don't think anyone would mind an AB boost. Make it 200/250/300%. Perfectly fine. But nerfing MWDs is not the same as making ABs useful.

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Originally by: Soyemia

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WTS: Blaster and autocannons!

No but for real Nozh!! I get 500m/s in an armor rigged BS... How are you planning on gettign to hit somethign with Autocannons or even more so with blasters? Its worse than a friggin' AB with current mechanics. I guess you didnt think that far did you?

You really really have to give a thought what you are proposing. You can simply nerf nanos easily with hurting speed mods, polys and snakes. DO NOT KILL OTHER SHIPS!! Blaster ships were quite well balanced, atleast BS level, but with these changes they will become obsolete. YOu're touching all ships here. You are giving caldari a huge buff, little buff to amarr and killing totally blasters. Minmatar BSs ('cept typhoon) were already bad. Typhoon isnt bad because it doesnt use minmatar weapons

I guess you dont think the whole picture. In the three years I've played, you're probably proposing the stuidest idea ever. I agree nanos should be nerfed like hell, I do. But you're nerfing so much else at the same time. Stupid Nozh.

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Originally by: Damned Force

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Edited by: Damned Force on 30/07/2008 10:25:56

Originally by: Kalintos Tyl

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Falcon jams 70% time huricane with 75 sensor strenght. Overloaded meta 4 eccm x2. Nice isnt it?

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WTF a highly speced ship with 5-6 specialised modules can shut down your BC in 70% of the time, without the dps to kill u and in this 30% u can **** him because he have no dps, no tank nothing......

WTF?
sarcasm off

drop 5 warrior II's or some medium drones and he is toast

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Originally by: Andnowthenews

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Originally by: Kalintos Tyl

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Falcon jams 70% time huricane with 75 sensor strenght. Overloaded meta 4 eccm x2. Nice isnt it?

Ow also going 1,2km/s

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With 1 racial ecm or did you fit a rack or mini jammers?.

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Originally by: Zikka

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Originally by: Kalintos Tyl

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http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8239/20080731100411yk6.jpg

400 damage from golem rage bane torps.
Screen to stfu whiners.

52% explo resist. So its 770 dmg from torp. 335 damage from raven (ommiting maruder role bonus. and base is 540 dmg. Mhm nice. And rage torps are considered to be anti bs waeapon.

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LOL. You are in a battlecruiser doing 100m/s. What did you expect?

Try it in a cruiser sized ship...

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Originally by: Dzajic

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Originally by: Qduhaf

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not sure if CCp is still reading as this has turned into a flame war, but think many of the proposed changes will be good as long as missiles (cruises specifically) are looked into so they aren't the all ship size/all range killer.

However there are several broader issues that still go unaddressed in the "commit to combat" theme namely:

1) Logoffskis
2) Cloaks on everything but cov-ops and recons
3) station games
4) pos games

I would propose that aggression timers be more universally applied in at least 0.0. Meaning that you would:

a) have a 15 minute timer on any logoff in 0.0 at all times
b) 15 minute reactivation timer on cloaks (not covert ops cloaks) after aggression (both PVE and PVP)
c) 15 minute docking timer after aggression (both PVE and PVP)
d) 15 minute timer to enter pos shields after aggression (again both PVE and PVP)

and ofc such aggression timers should not clear by jumping through to next system. If a fleet or ratter is out and about in 0.0 they should be exposed to danger, can't just have them logoff/cloak whenever some enters local or gank, ss and cloak/dock with total immunity.

0.0 should be dangerous for all, not just the people that want to roam.

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CCP migh as well pour gasoline over the TQ servers. MMO in which you ALWAYS need 15 minutes to be able to safely turn off the game is a dead MMO.

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Originally by: AshtarDJ

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Edited by: AshtarDJ on 05/08/2008 12:59:43

Originally by: Grim Vandal

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Honestly missiles have some BIG issues and that is just one of it.

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You are totally right!!

* You need your target both webbed and painted for your torps to do full damage.
* The DPS of missile boats (even the phoenix) can be totally cut by a smartbomb.
* A cruise missile raven does the same DPS as a rail mega loaded with spike (with better "tracking" offcourse) and if you ever chose to do a long range combat in a raven your target will either die or warp off before the first missile hits it.
* The math is broken by having precision heavies being worse then normal heavies against small and fast targets. HAMs having the same esplosion velocity as rockets.
* Don't forget that if you're not in a blob, you need to fit some tackling gear on your missile boat, wich makes it pretty hard to use any decent tank. (put MWD, point, painter and a cap injector on a torp raven and you will tank less then a BC)

The only ones I see complaining about missiles are the "uber skilled speed tankers". Other then that, the rest (must be all the skill-less noobs left then) knows that there aren't many caldari ships that tops the PvP ability of it's class (if any does).

Every type of tank should have a counter, something that keeps them on the toes. All shield tankers are affraid of lasers. All armour tankers are affraid of neuts (everyone is afraid of neuts, but a decent armour tank is only broken when he runs out of cap). Every speed tankers should be affraid of missiles and fast drones. In most of the cases you speed tankers still have the choice of running away when things get too hot. Shield and armour tankers don't.

EDIT: So far I havn't seen anyone complaining when a blastertron gets a wrecking hit of 1000+ on a webbed cruiser in his range... Or should we comment on the tempest's alpha strike???

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Originally by: Opertone

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do you know that it is impossible to stop a ship which is moving at 10 km/s?

eve engine will not allow you to do so... lock time would be 2 secs... by that time target is out of targeting range

if you try to approach it, then the target will have enough time to warp away

if you leave an interceptor going 10 km/s in a 0.0 system for a week, it will be still there after a week, because it can not be caught by any means

this is where eve is broken... speed doesn't scale well with other modules

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Originally by: Ihrda Siharkhail

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Edited by: Ihrda Siharkhail on 13/08/2008 09:09:18

Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: Romulus Silvia

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this speed nerf is absolutely ridiculous... instead of coming up with better ways to possibly counter speed, lets just kill it. i guess its time to get back into the DD tanked BS... yeah, forget about fixing something that really needs to be balanced, like DD, and ruin an entire way of playing the game.

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You think 5km/s cruisers and 27km/s machariels are fine? You lol me inside.

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yea, all those 20+km/s machs are really ruining the game, i cant travel around 0.0 without bumping into one.. i mean ive seen atleast.. um, 1 during the last 6 months, and that was my own.

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Originally by: Kenji Kikuta

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CALDARI = EASY MODE PVE

EASY MODE PVE = FAIL TO LEARN PVP

FAIL TO LEARN PVP = FAIL AT PVP

CALDARI = FAIL AT PVP

...what is it that you don't understand?

PS. Since you seem to be so easily offended, perhaps EVE is not the right place for you. Now go back to WoW and cry how EVE made you sad.

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